You have reached a Chevy Bolt appreciation checkpoint.

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
11/04/2020 at 21:33 • Filed to: None

The following actions are required:

1. Declare allegiance to the Bolt

2. Find the cost of installing a new 1 5kW charger at home using an excel spreadsheet , the first nine decimals are your new social security number

3. Recognize the teachings of stoicism in the design

DISCUSSION (41)

SiennaMan > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:37

Everything I've read suggests it is a good little car, one of GM's better efforts..

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:38

I already want one. But as long as the Civic keeps running...

NojustNo > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:39

Great great little family car just wish they were a little less homely.

Tekamul > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:48

15kW? Why are you in such a hurry?

pip bip - choose Corrour > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:50

GM can go eat a dick as far as I am concerned

Give me a Lada or something made in best Korea (DPRK / North Korea )

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:51

We test drove one and liked it a lot. Shame the sales woman was a TOTAL flake and couldn’t seem to get us a price.

wafflesnfalafel > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:51

the Astoria bridge gives me the willies every time I’ve driven over it...

For Sweden > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:52

It’s a good Bolt

For Sweden > BaconSandwich is tasty.
11/04/2020 at 21:54

Oof I feel this in my bones

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:56

That design is anything but stoic!

nermal > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 21:58

Mild Taek: The Bolt is a Good Car (tm) that is hampered by Chevy dealers. It would sell at least 3x as many if sold by GM thru a Tesla style direct order website.

In reality, it will end up in the same category as the BMW i3 - Best bought used for cheap, with a 1000cc motorcycle engine swapped in for the electric drivetrain.

bison78 > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 22:05

Find the cost of installing a new 15kW charger at home

Yo u don’t need a 15k W EVSE at home. You only need abo ut 5kW and many people get by with 3kW.

Jb boin > pip bip - choose Corrour
11/04/2020 at 22:06

Yes.

ps: will they electrify the Paso 990 and give it proper gigantic grilles?

Kinja'd!!!

nermal > MiniGTI - now with XJ6
11/04/2020 at 22:09

WHAT DO YOU WANT UR PAYMENT TO BE?

CHECK OUT THIS EQUINOX FOR $150 / MO LESS ON A 10K MILE LEASE .

HOW ABOUT THIS PICKUP ON A 96 MONTH LOAN WITH 3 EXTENDED WARRANTIES INSTEAD?

This is why people skip the Bolt and just buy a Tesla instead, like all of their friends and neighbors and coworkers . It’s not the car, the car is fine.

phenotyp > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 22:09

I like the Bolt.

It was an i3 wanna-be. The big things are the range and the experience. The i3 was a carbon passenger cell, or whatever you want to call it. Space frame, if you will. Which meant: no pillars between front and rear, and incredible crash protection. All of which says nothing about actually driving either of them. The Bolt has the electric range that the i3 should have had.

The interior: I’ve never driven a Bolt.

I’m glad Chevy made it.

John Norris (AngryDrifter) > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 22:14

My sister has had one for several years. She likes it.

I drove it once. I’m not ready to move off of internal combustion.

I ’m sure I can quit anytime. I just don’t want to right now.

Spanfeller is a twat > bison78
11/04/2020 at 22:27

Oh shit I forgot the bolt has like a 30kW battery, lol.

Tesla’s home charger is rated for 22kW in europe, which is why I took the figure. That’s sum power.

bison78 > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 22:32

I charge my Model 3 using a 30A dryer outlet (but limited to 24A) . I also have a fixed J1772 EVSE, but that is typically used for the Leaf. If your house is like mine, you have 240V (not 220V) , which makes a significant difference.

Spanfeller is a twat > bison78
11/04/2020 at 22:41

I’m not well versed in the installation since I didn’t do it, but as far as I know the house where we installed the charger was prepared for the specifications, I think it uses a three phase system with preparation for 32A at the regular voltage of 240V. it could charge a model s at 22kW, but since the AC charger in the Model 3 is not as good, it can only charge at 11kW. Given the house is in a very rural area, the lvl2 charger was pretty much a necessity in order for the car to be useable. and it ultimately was!

bison78 > Spanfeller is a twat
11/04/2020 at 23:19

I doubt that there is 3-phase coming into the house. But consider this: at 7kW charge rate, a Model 3 will charge from zero to 90% in 10 hours (ie. overnight) . Unless you do crazy miles, you can easily keep the battery fully charged with a 7kW EVSE.

JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” > SiennaMan
11/05/2020 at 00:13

Agreed, they did most things right. However it’s still missing even an option for adaptive cruise control, which is literally the only reason I don’t own one, and at this rate other decent “affordable” EVs will finally be out before GM adds basic modern features to this car. I’m dying to buy a decent EV, my new commute is just a bit too far for my ELR’s battery and I’m so tired of those couple gas miles a day, but there’s still nothing out there that makes me want to pull the trigger

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > bison78
11/05/2020 at 00:40

wouldn’t assume that. many parts of the world do provide a 3-phase tap from the service transformer as a standard configuration.

Beefchips > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 01:51

Having looked at the outside of a bolt, I think the only way it could possibly be less ugly is by viewing from the inside. Unfortunately, the interior is also about as plasticky as a McPlayPlace . It’s like a Versa that costs 2x as much. I want to like it for th e environment and all but... n o dice.

danwat1234 > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
11/05/2020 at 03:02

Not standard in most USA households. Single phase 240 only usually

pip bip - choose Corrour > Jb boin
11/05/2020 at 03:13

they better NOT give it that fugly nose treatment

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 05:00

Chevy? That's one of those Chinese car companies, ain't it?

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 06:34

Kinja'd!!!

Funny you bring this up. I purchased this dorky looking box about 2 months ago. 12k off sticker was irresistible.

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > nermal
11/05/2020 at 07:59

Oh it was bad, we didn’t even get to payments. She kept going to the “office” where they were having “computer problems”

Spanfeller is a twat > Tekamul
11/05/2020 at 08:18

Honestly I didn’t thought it was much. The home charger we got for the tesla is rated for 22kW !

Tekamul > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 09:05

Bu t what use is that? A 22kW charger in my house would blow the main breaker. My entire house is only rated for 18kW.

Tekamul > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 09:22

I was curious, so I checked. A tesla 22kW charger requires 3 phase 400v. I can't imagine the cost of having that ran from the transformer.

Spanfeller is a twat > Tekamul
11/05/2020 at 09:32

Im not sure how the mains in Spain work, but my understanding is that we have the charger connected for 240V, 32A, and three phase. The charger can do 400v as you say, but I think that’s the comercial configuration for destination chargers

Since the model 3 only has a 16A onboard AC charger, we only use 11kW. The model S has a 32A charger (and it doesn’t have a DC plug like the model 3 because AESTHETIC), so it can charge at 22kW.

But my understanding is that if we ever had a guest over and their car could charge at 16.5 kW we’d be able to plug their car in and get that (granted, fenosa would probably want to have a word with us after that month, lol.)

Tekamul > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 10:00

I think this reflects one of the main issues of EV adoption - varying approaches across markets. But our thread points out the biggest hold up, everybody’s got a different plug.

The Bolt has a smaller on board charger, which is probably targeted at US owners, which by and large are limited to single phase 240V maximum. If you want more in the US, you’re going to a public charge point. These typically jump way up, as it’s seen as a long term investment, so they’re ok going all the way to DC-DC charging. At that point, the sky’s the limit for the most part.

Spanfeller is a twat > Tekamul
11/05/2020 at 10:28

The good thing about the EU is that they pretty much forced a billion people to use pretty much the same power grid with a “good” performance as far as I’ve been allowed to understand. Europe uses higher voltage and lower current than america. So, the model 3 in the US has a 32 to 40A internal charger whereas our model 3 has a 16A internal charger. Nonetheless because voltage is higher we get comparable charge speeds.

In the EU market, Tesla uses the standard type 2 port like every other EV; so by buying the Tesla charger we also got a regular EV charger, so in the future if we get a PHEV or another EV it’s already sorted. The tesla charger can also charge non-tesla EVs in europe.

The model s and x were made with the american market in mind, and as much as they can use a level 3 charger like other EVs, if that charger is not a tesla one, they’re gonna need an adaptor from the type 2 DC combo to the regular type 2. Same is true of the Chademo that Nissan insists on.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!!
11/05/2020 at 11:47

Oh congrats!

MrSnrub > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 11:52

The way these are priced, I would be very strongly tempted if I had space for a second car and charger.

SiennaMan > JMordu becoming “savethemilanos”
11/05/2020 at 12:15

Good point. That really seems like a missed opportunity since they probably have 90% of the work done for it with ICE based caddies. I'm sure you're not the only one looking for a BEV with those features, especially as they're becoming basically standard on most cars..

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!!
11/05/2020 at 18:37

Nice! Welcome to the Oppo Bolt club. You and me, bro! (I’m a lessee though, so it’ll be just you in about 28 months :P)

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Spanfeller is a twat
11/05/2020 at 18:40

Hell yeah, love ours! If only my commute was longer than the act of just getting out of bed and going in to the next room I’d actually be getting some real value out of it.

dogisbadob > Spanfeller is a twat
11/06/2020 at 09:59

Too bad they don’t offer it in Shock anymore, and no sunroof either :(

Bill > Spanfeller is a twat
11/06/2020 at 13:22

I’d like to point out that the EVSE cord supplied with the Chevy Bolt is made for GM by Clipper Creek. The cord is capable of 12 Amps at either 120 or 240 Volts. Always check with a qualified electrician to be sure you can plug the cord into 240 Volts. I plug the Chevy-supplied cord into a dryer outlet in my garage using a converter pigtail . 12 Amps at 240 Volts will net about 21 or 22 KWH, in 8 hours, allowing for inevitable inefficiency. That translates to about 100 miles of driving. That is considerably more range than the average US daily commute of 32 miles round trip, and allows plenty for side trips and errands as well.

For the majority of drivers, there is no need to install an expensive high rate EVSE. For many, even a leisurely charge at 120 Volts would suffice. As a matter of fact that is what I did for the first year and a half I had the Bolt. I had to get a new 240 Volt circuit installed for a. 240 Volt Dryer outlet. I never really got in a pinch where I was close to running out charge, so I wasn’t in any hurry. I took some 200+ mile weekend trips and it would take a few days to get back to 100% charge on 120 Volts, but there was always enough for daily driving.